Talk:Wagon

Freight car/Wagon

For anyone's peace of mind, neither freight car nor wagon in the sense of railroad components have their own articles. Railroad car covers the several kinds of goods-hauling cars on a railroad. -Acjelen 22:39, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Dray

"Dray" redirects here. In British English, this is used for the lorries that deliver beer to pubs (even though they are powered by engines and not horses). Marnanel 15:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't have an issue with "Dray" redirecting here. But I'm sure that you'll find that the origin of "dray" is that it is a heavy haulage vehicle that has no springs between the body and its wheels. The only limit to its load capacity was the structural strength of the vehicle and the rolling-resistance of the roadway under its wheels. This terminology was common on New Zealand and Australian farms, timber-milling and industrial sites into the 1950s. Lin (talk) 03:24, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Translations

Some of the links into Wikies of other languages lead to vehicles which are not animal-drawn, mostly. The German link, for instance ought to be de:Fuhrwerk (Stellwagen) and not de:Wagen.

Yours' sincerely de:Benutzer:Ulamm 08.01.2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.253.64.125 (talk) 12:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Possible article about wagon making? i.e. "Wainwright"? Fuzzform (talk) 21:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

wagons

in Wikipedia u can learn a lot about wagons from tasia moorehouse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.45.232 (talk) 20:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Is this the primary topic?

Is this the primary topic readers are seeking when they search for "wagon"? I stumbled across this article while seeking info about the little red wagons that were all the rage when I was 8 years old. Frankly, I expected to arrive directly at the Wagon disambiguation page and, after having a look at the many types of wagon at the dab, I'm surprised that I arrived here first. Is a change warranted here? Perhaps this page should be renamed to Wagon (vehicle), and then Wagon should redirect to Wagon (disambiguation)? --Lambtron (talk) 18:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

This makes good sense (IMHO) and no one has commented, so I moved it. -- Lambtron (talk) 17:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Dear all. Please note there is no such language as 'British English'. There is English, as spoken by the people of England, and there are corruptions of English, such as American, Australian and Canadian English.Mine of Information (talk) 10:34, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, well, I'm glad we got that over and done with so quickly! I didn't want to get left out of this discussion either! Maybe my English is not as important as yours? Maybe mine is more corrupt than yours? But when I'm trying to express and explain myself I only have the words in my native English vocabulary to use for that. And you might be able to adapt? Lin (talk) 03:24, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Please upload

Could some one please upload

File:Nasmiths Bread delivery wagon , Earlscourt.jpg

. Peter Horn User talk 00:59, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

history?

This article should have information on where wagons were developed, when they came into widespread use, etc. Tom (talk) 12:25, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Agreed emphatically. I'm trying to do just that, at least to some extent with explaining the 19th century developments, as well as actually making sense of this rather important article. It really is weak in describing the field or even the types of wagons that existed. Sadly, there seems to be relatively little good online content for the armchair historian, compared to many other subject areas. Hope it will be of some use thought.Morgan Riley (talk) 01:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Thirded. While wagons may seem ubiquitous, there has to be a furthest-back mention in history or something like that.--Varkman (talk) 19:26, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Horse tank wagon

What about finding a wooden horse tank wagon on the internet. when I was 9 years old (summer of 1947) I sew such in Thurgau where I was staying. It carried pig manure from a large pigsty to a field. Peter Horn User talk 03:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

It was a horizontal wooden cylinder on four wheels. In this case it carried liquid pig manure which was spread on fields. Peter Horn User talk 15:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Corrected link. Peter Horn User talk 19:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Saddle wagon

A saddle wagon is mentioned in baler#Long-haul transport, but it may not necessarily be wooden. What can we do? That said does any wagon need to be made at all of wood? Peter Horn User talk 20:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Water wagon

There is also a water wagon. wagon#Irrigation does not quite fit, nor does tank trailer. Peter Horn User talk 19:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 19:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

This is for living van Peter Horn User talk 19:29, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Combine the two above

Combine horse tank wagon and water wagon into tank wagon (horse drawn) Peter Horn User talk 19:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Merge Wainwright into wagon

Make Wainwright a new section of wagon Peter Horn User talk 18:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Not a good idea. Peter Horn User talk 03:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

 Closed. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:43, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

German equivalent word

@Bermicourt: What is the German equivalent word? Is it de:wagen? If that is the one, why it not listed in languages? Peter Horn User talk 00:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

No, it's de:Fuhrwerk. It's linked from German Wiki but not here; I'll fix that. Bermicourt (talk) 06:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bermicourt: Thanks. I knew you'd come up with the right word. Peter Horn User talk 00:24, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Right or left side of the road

According to to the "freight wagon" subsection of the article, vehicles in Europe are "driven on the left side of the road". This seems incorrect?

> In Europe, carts were steered from the right side. The cart itself was driven on the left side of the road, as vehicles are driven there today. Simon Frühauf (talk) 18:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

The sources only describe American freight wagons, and unfortunately someone incorrectly added that England was "opposite" or "steered from the right" (depending on version), so I removed it. Here's the scoop: Wagons were driven on the right side of the road in America and left side in England. However, drivers ordinarily sat on the right side of a two-person drivers seat in both England and America due to people being predominantly right-handed and operating the reins and whip is easier if there isn't someone sitting to your right and hindering your right arm movements. However, whenever there was no drivers seat and the driver would walk alongside the horses, he would do so on the left side of the horses because that is the traditional side for leading horses. Hence, a lazyboard would have been mounted on the left side of the wagon because that is the side the driver was walking and it would be simple to just hop on the board. On the other hand, changing sides is a major operation when you're dealing with reins that are usually 10 feet long or more. To illustrate, look at this photo from WikiCommons which shows an English workman driving two horses and pulling a heavy cart with no drivers seat. Notice where he's standing, and see how difficult it would be to change sides. To sum it up, in both England and America, handlers work horses from the left, mount vehicles from the left, sit on the right side of the seat... but drive on opposite sides of the road. One source is...   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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